Joe Starkey: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar somehow slips under the radar during G.O.A.T. debates
Joe Starkey, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s ‘Fight the Power’ tackles the history of protest
Richard Shotwell
FILE - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar poses in the press room at the NBA Awards in Santa Monica, Calif. on June 25, 2018. The NBA legend serves as an executive producer and narrator of the one-hour documentary “Fight the Power: The Movements That Changed America,” which airs June 19 on the History Channel.
Richard Shotwell
FILE - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar poses in the press room at the NBA Awards in Santa Monica, Calif. on June 25, 2018. The NBA legend serves as an executive producer and narrator of the one-hour documentary “Fight the Power: The Movements That Changed America,” which airs June 19 on the History Channel.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
David Goldman
— It’s the first time since 1998 that the finals will be played without LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan or Dwyane Wade.
— It’s the first time since 1983 that nobody in the NBA Finals has been, or will be, a teammate of Shaquille O’Neal. You read that correctly. Every title series from 1984 through 2020 featured at least one player who had been (or would eventually be) teammates with O’Neal, a list that includes names like Greg Kite, John Salley, Byron Scott, Steve Kerr, Leandro Barbosa, Danny Green and Matt Barnes (along with everyone he played with on the 1995 Orlando Magic, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004 Los Angeles Lakers teams, and the 2006 Miami Heat). Though there is one technicality at play here: Phoenix guard Chris Paul and O’Neal were All-Star Game teammates.
— Of the 12 referees working this series, three are in the NBA Finals for the first time. Courtney Kirkland, James Williams and Sean Wright are all set to make their finals debuts, though Wright was an alternate for the 2019 finals.
David Goldman
— It’s the first time since 1998 that the finals will be played without LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan or Dwyane Wade.
— It’s the first time since 1983 that nobody in the NBA Finals has been, or will be, a teammate of Shaquille O’Neal. You read that correctly. Every title series from 1984 through 2020 featured at least one player who had been (or would eventually be) teammates with O’Neal, a list that includes names like Greg Kite, John Salley, Byron Scott, Steve Kerr, Leandro Barbosa, Danny Green and Matt Barnes (along with everyone he played with on the 1995 Orlando Magic, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004 Los Angeles Lakers teams, and the 2006 Miami Heat). Though there is one technicality at play here: Phoenix guard Chris Paul and O’Neal were All-Star Game teammates.
— Of the 12 referees working this series, three are in the NBA Finals for the first time. Courtney Kirkland, James Williams and Sean Wright are all set to make their finals debuts, though Wright was an alternate for the 2019 finals.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Mark J. Terrill
Phoenix guard Chris Paul is in his 16th NBA season. This is his first finals.
It is a historic wait.
He has played in 123 playoff games without ever reaching the finals, the third-most in NBA history behind Paul Millsap (129) and Al Horford (124).
And he could join a very small club. Only five players have won their first championship in their 16th season or later; Juwan Howard and Kevin Willis won championships in their 18th seasons (not counting the 1988-89 season that Willis missed), Jason Kidd got the elusive ring in his 17th season, and Dwight Howard and Gary Payton finally got their hands on the Larry O’Brien Trophy in their 16th seasons.
Mark J. Terrill
Phoenix guard Chris Paul is in his 16th NBA season. This is his first finals.
It is a historic wait.
He has played in 123 playoff games without ever reaching the finals, the third-most in NBA history behind Paul Millsap (129) and Al Horford (124).
And he could join a very small club. Only five players have won their first championship in their 16th season or later; Juwan Howard and Kevin Willis won championships in their 18th seasons (not counting the 1988-89 season that Willis missed), Jason Kidd got the elusive ring in his 17th season, and Dwight Howard and Gary Payton finally got their hands on the Larry O’Brien Trophy in their 16th seasons.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Marcio Jose Sanchez
Tuesday will mark the first time that an NBA Finals game has been played in July — which becomes the seventh month in which a title-round matchup will occur.
Other months that have seen finals games: March, April, May, June, September, and October.
Marcio Jose Sanchez
Tuesday will mark the first time that an NBA Finals game has been played in July — which becomes the seventh month in which a title-round matchup will occur.
Other months that have seen finals games: March, April, May, June, September, and October.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Morry Gash
Giannis Antetokounmpo averaged 40 points on 60% shooting in Milwaukee’s two games against Phoenix this season. No player had averaged that, and shot that well, against the Suns in a single regular season since 1992-93 — when Chicago’s Michael Jordan averaged 42 points on 60.3% shooting.
The Bulls ended up playing the Suns in that season’s finals, too.
Morry Gash
Giannis Antetokounmpo averaged 40 points on 60% shooting in Milwaukee’s two games against Phoenix this season. No player had averaged that, and shot that well, against the Suns in a single regular season since 1992-93 — when Chicago’s Michael Jordan averaged 42 points on 60.3% shooting.
The Bulls ended up playing the Suns in that season’s finals, too.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
John Bazemore
Milwaukee won the Central Division and Phoenix won the Pacific Division this season.
That means this will be the 10th consecutive season where a division champion will win the NBA title. The last division non-winner to end up as NBA champions was Dallas in 2011. Every team that made the finals since did so after winning a division crown.
John Bazemore
Milwaukee won the Central Division and Phoenix won the Pacific Division this season.
That means this will be the 10th consecutive season where a division champion will win the NBA title. The last division non-winner to end up as NBA champions was Dallas in 2011. Every team that made the finals since did so after winning a division crown.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Mark J. Terrill
NBA Finals games typically start late; most in this series will tip off shortly after 9 p.m. in the Eastern time zone, so they tend to finish around 11:30 p.m.
History says the Suns might go a bit later.
There have been two triple-overtime games in NBA Finals history — and Phoenix has played in both. They lost to Boston 128-126 on June 4, 1976, and defeated Chicago 129-121 on June 13, 1993.
The NBA has also seen three double-overtime finals games. Milwaukee played in one of those, beating Boston 102-101 on May 10, 1974.
Mark J. Terrill
NBA Finals games typically start late; most in this series will tip off shortly after 9 p.m. in the Eastern time zone, so they tend to finish around 11:30 p.m.
History says the Suns might go a bit later.
There have been two triple-overtime games in NBA Finals history — and Phoenix has played in both. They lost to Boston 128-126 on June 4, 1976, and defeated Chicago 129-121 on June 13, 1993.
The NBA has also seen three double-overtime finals games. Milwaukee played in one of those, beating Boston 102-101 on May 10, 1974.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Aaron Gash
A good omen for Milwaukee, perhaps?
Since the NBA went to the current playoff format in 1984, there have been three instances of a No. 3 seed from one conference taking on the No. 2 seed from the other conference in the NBA Finals. (This will be the fourth; Milwaukee was seeded No. 3 in the East, Phoenix No. 2 in the West.)
In all three of the previous 3-versus-2 finals matchups, the No. 3 seed won the NBA title: Detroit over the Los Angeles Lakers in 2004, San Antonio over Cleveland in 2007 and Dallas over Miami in 2011.
Aaron Gash
A good omen for Milwaukee, perhaps?
Since the NBA went to the current playoff format in 1984, there have been three instances of a No. 3 seed from one conference taking on the No. 2 seed from the other conference in the NBA Finals. (This will be the fourth; Milwaukee was seeded No. 3 in the East, Phoenix No. 2 in the West.)
In all three of the previous 3-versus-2 finals matchups, the No. 3 seed won the NBA title: Detroit over the Los Angeles Lakers in 2004, San Antonio over Cleveland in 2007 and Dallas over Miami in 2011.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Kathy Willens
Jrue Holiday doesn’t know what it’s like to play in the NBA Finals. Same goes for Giannis Antetokounmpo and Thanasis Antetokounmpo. In fact, no player in this series — except for Phoenix’s Jae Crowder — has logged a single second in a finals game.
The Holiday and Antetokounmpo families have a bit of experience in this area, though.
Justin Holiday, Jrue’s brother, played in a game with Golden State during the 2015 finals. And Kostas Antetokounmpo — Giannis’ and Thanasis’ brother — won a ring with the Lakers last season but didn’t play in the title series against Miami.
Kathy Willens
Jrue Holiday doesn’t know what it’s like to play in the NBA Finals. Same goes for Giannis Antetokounmpo and Thanasis Antetokounmpo. In fact, no player in this series — except for Phoenix’s Jae Crowder — has logged a single second in a finals game.
The Holiday and Antetokounmpo families have a bit of experience in this area, though.
Justin Holiday, Jrue’s brother, played in a game with Golden State during the 2015 finals. And Kostas Antetokounmpo — Giannis’ and Thanasis’ brother — won a ring with the Lakers last season but didn’t play in the title series against Miami.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Aaron Gash
One key for both teams in these NBA Finals: Don’t let the other team get a double-digit lead.
Milwaukee and Phoenix have been pretty much unbeatable in these playoffs when either club gets a lead of at least 10 points. The Suns are 11-0 in the playoffs in games where they’ve had a double-digit lead; the Bucks are 10-1, the loss coming when they let a 17-point lead get away against Brooklyn in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
In the regular season, Milwaukee was 41-9 in games in which it led by at least 10 at some point; Phoenix was 45-10 in such games.
Phoenix’s biggest comeback win this season was 16 points, done twice, including once against Milwaukee. The biggest Bucks comeback win was a game in which they trailed by 19 against Philadelphia.
Aaron Gash
One key for both teams in these NBA Finals: Don’t let the other team get a double-digit lead.
Milwaukee and Phoenix have been pretty much unbeatable in these playoffs when either club gets a lead of at least 10 points. The Suns are 11-0 in the playoffs in games where they’ve had a double-digit lead; the Bucks are 10-1, the loss coming when they let a 17-point lead get away against Brooklyn in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
In the regular season, Milwaukee was 41-9 in games in which it led by at least 10 at some point; Phoenix was 45-10 in such games.
Phoenix’s biggest comeback win this season was 16 points, done twice, including once against Milwaukee. The biggest Bucks comeback win was a game in which they trailed by 19 against Philadelphia.
NBA Finals: Live updates from the Bucks vs. the Suns
Matt York
If the Suns lead this series at any time, the franchise will have a winning postseason record again for the first time since May 18, 1995 — when they were 86-85 in their all-time playoff history.
The Suns enter these finals 145-145 in postseason play.
The Bucks haven’t had a winning postseason record since May 26, 2001, when they were 96-95. At the end of the 1980 playoffs, when they were 85-84. They’re 138-145 all-time in playoff action, meaning they can’t get over the .500 mark again in this series.
Matt York
If the Suns lead this series at any time, the franchise will have a winning postseason record again for the first time since May 18, 1995 — when they were 86-85 in their all-time playoff history.
The Suns enter these finals 145-145 in postseason play.
The Bucks haven’t had a winning postseason record since May 26, 2001, when they were 96-95. At the end of the 1980 playoffs, when they were 85-84. They’re 138-145 all-time in playoff action, meaning they can’t get over the .500 mark again in this series.
LeBron James is not participating in these NBA Finals, so we could easily avoid the greatest-player-of-all-time argument this time around.
We could.
But we won’t.
I’d rather attack it head on, right this second, because ABC analyst Jeff Van Gundy sparked up the anger factory in Game 1, and now the machines are cranking.
First of all, it’s more than a two-man debate. It’s not just LeBron versus Michael Jordan. I don’t know when it became illegal to mention anyone else, but if that’s the case, I’m about to break the law.
Actually, Van Gundy already did, and I commend him. The name “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar” surfaced several times in Game 1 — he led the Milwaukee Bucks to their only NBA title, which in and of itself could make him the G.O.A.T., considering Milwaukee’s sordid playoff history — and that prompted this Van Gundy take:
“When people talk about the best who’s ever done it, and they omit him, they are overlooking a dominant player from the moment he stepped foot on an NBA floor.”
Fellow analyst Mark Jackson chimed in: “And not just that, (but) from the moment he set foot on the floor at Power Memorial (High School) in New York City.”
Great point there. Abdul-Jabbar absolutely had the greatest overall career — from high school through the pros — of anyone who has ever laced up basketball sneakers.
That doesn’t make him the best player. We’ll continue that debate in a moment. But he did have the best career. His high school team won 71 games in a row, three New York City Catholic League titles and two state championships. He was named Final Four MVP in each of his three years at UCLA, and we’ll need about a year, or at least a separate paragraph, for his NBA career.
Abdul-Jabbar led the NBA in various years in scoring, rebounding and blocked shots. He was a 19-time All-Star, a six-time MVP, a six-time champion and a two-time Finals MVP. He had 50-point games and 30-rebound games. He had games with as many as 11 blocks and 14 assists. He won Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year. He has more combined points and rebounds than anyone. He won the NBA Finals MVP, against a great Boston Celtics team, at age 37.
So yes, by all means, let’s keep this guy out of the G.O.A.T. conversation.
Did I mention he also possessed the most unstoppable weapon in NBA history, one that has unbelievably never been duplicated?
I once asked Hall of Famer Rick Barry about that, about how nobody ever really tried to replicate Kareem’s skyhook (realizing not everybody is 7-foot-2) or Barry’s underhanded free throw.
“Basketball is a game where people copy so many things, yet nobody copied my free throws, and nobody’s really copied Kareem’s skyhook,” Barry said. “It just doesn’t make any sense.”
I watched one of those great NBA Films shows about the Celtics-Lakers rivalry, and Kevin McHale couldn’t help but laugh at the reality that Jabbar was the best player in the 1985 series at age 37.
Think about that for a second.
Another one of those shows featured James Worthy and Isiah Thomas narrating the epic Lakers-Pistons championship series of 1987.
Kareem scored the winning points in the final seconds of Game 6 to keep L.A.’s hopes alive (they would win the series). He was 39.
“He’s the greatest of all time,” Worthy said as he watched Kareem sink the winning free throws. “I don’t care what anybody says.”
“Yeah, I’m with you on that,” Thomas said. “That’s the G.O.A.T.”
Yes I know, Isiah has an axe to grind with Jordan. But his opinion counts.
I’ll just say this: If we were drafting our all-time teams, any player in his prime, and the first two picks were Jordan and James, I’d feel pretty good about taking a 25-year-old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar third.